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Offline greatcountysky

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Why so many hate immigrants.
« on: September 28, 2007, 10:16:51 AM »
I just left another board where there was a thread created with the statement that our troops should be returned to our country, and used to protect our Mexican border from immigrants.  My reply, why.  I don't understand the reasoning, or thought behind someone saying that "now is the time when immigrants should not be allowed to enter 'our' country".  I mean, how do you think we all got here.  I am sure that most of the Indian tribes didn't like the fact that we completely took over their natural hunting plains, and left them with nothing in return.  So why should we say now that the doors are closed to new immigration?  I just doesn't fit.  This is the land of the free, right?  So why shouldn't anyone have the privilege to come if they can make it.  They should.  Please feel free to comment your concerns with the growing amount of residents, and immigrants.


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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2007, 10:12:47 PM »
I for one have nothing against immigrants, immigration, or temporary workers. I will agree their are many that preach against illegal immigration based on racist views, and those who advocate against illegal immigration based on rational thinking suffer because of it.

Most people opposed to illegal immigration have very good reasons for their opposition. The fact of the matter is that a large percentage of illegal aliens are serious criminals. It is evident in the jail and prison cells of America just how true this is. The sad thing is that those with the moral values to seek to immigrate legally find themselves barred from doing because of the large influx of illegals.

Another argument against illegal aliens is that their goals do not include actually becoming an American Citizen. If you want to live in America, it should be because you want to embrace the freedoms and rights that made this country great. Being an American citizen entails responsibilities such as voting, paying taxes, learning to speak the language, and obeying the laws of the land. These responsibilities are avoided at all costs by the majority of illegal immigrants.

It used to be that crossing the border was so easy that temporary workers came when work was available, and then most returned home. Now the border crossings are unlawful, dangerous, and costly, so few of those crossing return home. Those that do cross are willing to embrace a lifestyle of criminal actions in order to survive.

This country needs to completly revamp our border control and immigration policies. First we need to recognize that there is in fact a need for workers from other countries in America especially in the areas of agriculture. We need a policy that allows workers to come and work and then go home. Those that wish to become citizens should have a reasonable path to do so.

Next, we need to stop denying immigrants the opportunity to become citizens. The criteria should be simple. Learn our language, learn and obey our laws, and pledge your allegiance to this country and only this country. The American dream should be available to those that truely want it and are willing to prove it.

Finally, I hate to say it because it pisses so many people off. We need to send the criminals home to their own countries. This includes anyone currently in the country illegally! The only amnesty that should be offered is 90 days to pack their gear and get out now. Those that wish to be Americans can apply legally! Then the remaining illegals found in the coutry should be prosecuted, fined, deported, and denied any chance of ever entering the country again. End of Story!



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Re: Why so many hate immigrants.
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 05:48:53 AM »
First, I think the word "hate" is pretty strong - maybe some actually do "hate" 'immigrants.'  One email I've received said something to the effect of:  'American Indians are living proof of failed immigration policies.'  That issue is in itself a whole other topic for discussion.  WHY close the doors now?  Do YOU spend any time outside the 4 walls of where you reside??     
   As far  as "the land of the free" - I do feel frustrated when I hear/read catch phrases (like 'land of the free') used without regard to the entire meaning; spend some time studying the U.S. Constitution and U.S. history. Unpopular concept these days but with rights come responsibilities.
   Over the last 40 years I've seen a tremendous change (in Yuma) both in the attitudes of immigrants as well as the attitudes toward them. I vividly recall a period where discrimination was absent, and the primary goal of those who had immigrated was to assimilate. The past immigrants wanted to BE Americans. The current trend (and it seems to be fostered in large part by our politicians) toward hyphenated Americans seems to have eroded our sense of nationality. I also recall when immigration policy limited the number of (legal) immigrants by establishing quotas - only a certain # could immigrate from various countries each year. Health was an issue; sponsorship (to ensure new immigrants wouldn't become a drain on the country's resources) was required. How, or why, changes were made is a mystery.
   I am weary of being labeled a racist or xenophobe because I advocate control of our borders and a rational, sane immigration policy. The minute a policy is discussed that an ethnic group doesn't like they scream "discrimination" and cloud the real issue(s). Ironically, the CITIZENS are bearing most of the brunt of supposed attempts to control the border. Passport regulations (I obtained mine prior to this becoming a requirement to travel) target U.S. citizens. Doesn't it make you wonder HOW these people keep getting in to this country?? Or is the passport requirement (with new microchip) just a disguised way of tracking AMERICAN CITIZENS?
   I've frequently heard the argument that 'we need workers from other countries." If this were true, wouldn't OUR unemployment rate be at ZERO percent? How can you justify that workers from other countries are needed when so many of our citizens are out of work?  What IS true is that by bringing in surplus of labor that supply exceeds demand, which drives the cost down. (Remember Adam Smith?) While employers may perceive cheap labor as a benefit, does it really benefit them - or their customers? The majority of the people I know are frustrated with the inability of employees to speak English, the lack of 'service' provided by many businesses. and the inefficiency and lack of education of many in the workforce.  Could it be possible that IF employers PAID more it would be worth it? That there would be increased profits (despite higher pay) because they would be hiring QUALIFIED people? If an employer has employees with a work ethic, committed to (and with a grasp of "service") productivity, and logically profits, would increase, thereby offsetting the higher wage paid?
   Not only do we have to worry about losing jobs to immigrants (legal and illegal) we now have to deal with outsourcing of jobs. Believe it or not, outsourcing has caused the loss of jobs in Yuma. Perhaps not enough to be noticeable to many, but it has had an impact.
   Rampant immigration (legal and illegal) is having a multitude of negative impacts on our country, not limited to jobs U.S. Citizens are losing, or the reduced wages and lack of benefits. Our entire economy is affected.  There is a tremendous impact on our environment, ecology, pollution, drain on services (schools, healthcare, services - everything that requires expansion to serve an ever growing segment of our population). We cannot continue to sustain this rampant growth without it eroding what we perceive, and desire, as our 'lifestyle.'  Then there's the impact to the criminal justice system - the courts, jails, prisons, probation, etc.  Increase in taxes, to continue to provide services.  I wish I could remember the actual figures on how much money EARNED in this country is sent "home" to other countries. IT's a staggering number! It's a myth that the money earned by immigrants improves OUR economy - but it DOES improve the economy, and lifestyle, of those living in OTHER countries.
   There ARE countries that have, and are serious about, their immigration policies. They also pay a living wage (think $10 an hour for restaurant servers, and customers NOT having to pay gratuities to supplement the fact that the restaurant owner isn't paying a living wage). That DO manage to keep track of those entering their countries on visas and permits - and follow through with expulsion when the visas expire. They also put teeth in it - by excluding those who don't leave on time for substantial periods of time.  Additionally, CITIZENSHIP is required to be a property owner.  ALL wonderful ideas and a benefit to their citizens. We could - and should -- do the same here.  If we don't do something -- soon -- to reform many of these policies, our lifestyle, as we know it, will be a thing of the past.

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Re: Why so many hate immigrants.
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 05:37:25 PM »
Ok, let me point out a major difference people are missing:

Immigrant
Illegal Immigrant.

I am 150% all for immigration. It brings more people in to support our roads, schools and etc. They augment our workforce. They help our economy remain stable if not excel.

I am 300% against illegal immigration. It brings more people in to support our roads, schools and etc. They augment our workforce. They help our economy remain stable if not excel. It brings more people to use our roads, schools and etc. They flood our workforce. They drag our economy down if not bottom it out. How? You ask? Well, an illegal alien will work for less money than a legal immigrant. They don't pay any taxes on that income because they are IAs. No money goes into the SS fund, the roads or government services. They take the money straight back to Mexico and put it into the economy there, taking away sales tax revenue from us as well. When an IA goes to the hospital and gets treated and leaves, who pays his bill? The people who do pay. That's one reason for a $6.00 aspirin.

So, do I hate illegal aliens? Heck yeah I do. I love legal immigrants.

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Re: Why so many hate immigrants.
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2009, 06:36:33 PM »
Swazdude you said it perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   >:D

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Re: Why so many hate immigrants.
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2009, 07:10:04 PM »
I see nothing wrong with Legal Immigrants, but I do have a big problem with Illegal Aliens. This is not just because they are illegal, after all they are breaking the law right off, but we also must remember that those who promote and commit terrorist acts are now entering through our southern border area.

I don't know how you think of this, but I have grandchildren who I want to be able to grow up with our western culture and values and not have to submit to Islam the way the British and Europe are doing now.

I will NOT submit to Islam!